Again and again Arch. Luykx's observations reminded me of problems in other sectors of society, indicating that the diabolic assault is across the culture, not just against the Church: The condescension towards Africans by erstwhile progressives remains true today, as in a similar way does the hypocritical rewriting of black-white relations in the US, wherein one political party rails against the legacy of slavery while it was (and arguably is) responsible for perpetuating race hatred now and segregation for over a century in the past; also, the exalting and giving free rein to "experts," has its counterpart in the running amok of the medical-scientific community which was only fully-revealed during and after the manufactured COVID "crisis." (Analogous to the need to fix the imaginary liturgical crisis.)
Absolutely! This is something I go back to again and again in my thinking: the exact, even eerie parallels between Church and State, as if, even centuries after their disseverance, they are still somehow mirroring and controlling one another, in a back-and-forth cycle, almost like a competition to see which one can degenerate faster.
I think my biggest question as a lover of Scripture is why did they not continue the same readings as the Traditional Mass? I have noticed that the NO readings align with the Methodist readings - but not with the Traditional Mass. I have also seen the watering down of the prayers in the Vernacular NO from the TLM.
I grew up in the pre Vatican II Church. We were told we would go with our own language in the Mass. We were NOT told as far as I knew that the words of the Mass would be changed. They did not simply transpose the TLM Mass words to English, as we expected, but changed the words - dropped off words, and basically rewrote the Mass! We were duped as Catholics by this - and it has taken me over sixty years to see how we have been deprived of the efficacy of the Mass of my childhood. The years have exposed the bad fruit of this deceitful experiment! The relevancy of the Sacred Liturgy has decreased, the reverence in the sacred space has diminished, millions have left the Church, and we are left spiritually impoverished.
Jeremiah 8:20
The harvest is past, the summer is ended, and we are not saved.
Yes, you are absolutely right: there was a huge bait-and-switch. As Luykx says, the use of the vernacular became like a narcotic.
The TLM lectionary was an ancient treasure, and it was chucked out. Why did they do it? Because, as Luykx rightly points out, they were arrogant and thought they had better ideas. And they viewed the Mass as a scripture service, much like the Protestants.
"We here work from the assumption that the modern Western man is the man tout court, the model of all true humanity, for all countries and cultures, and for all ages to come."
Unfortunately, he was right in terms of the secular status quo (not at all, of course, as authentic man as imago Dei). The "inbred and incompetent" theologians and liturgists have certainly reigned supreme, and the German bishops' ongoing dismissiveness of the concerns of African Catholics shows that nothing has changed. Note bene, articles like this trigger a near-PTSD response for those of us who lived through it all. These manuscripts (lately come-to-life) may have been hidden as a secret mercy to the traumatised in the intervening years when no solace was to be found!
"These manuscripts (lately come-to-life) may have been hidden as a secret mercy to the traumatised in the intervening years when no solace was to be found!"
How right you are! I find them traumatizing to read even though I was born as late as 1971!
Arguments about whether the Traditional Mass and the Novus Ordo are the same rite, but different forms, or two different rites seem to get at the heart of the issue. While, in my local parish, the pastor has moved the needle on the Reform of the Reform by ending girl altar servers, implementing ad orientem celebration, culling the usage of hymns, and other reforms, none of that amounts to much if the difference is one pertaining to the essence of the rite rather than its accidents.
Do you have any recommendations about where to read more about that?
Yes, exactly. I wrote a book about exactly this question of the difference of rites (the Roman Rite vs. the Rite of Paul VI) and the difference it makes:
Again and again Arch. Luykx's observations reminded me of problems in other sectors of society, indicating that the diabolic assault is across the culture, not just against the Church: The condescension towards Africans by erstwhile progressives remains true today, as in a similar way does the hypocritical rewriting of black-white relations in the US, wherein one political party rails against the legacy of slavery while it was (and arguably is) responsible for perpetuating race hatred now and segregation for over a century in the past; also, the exalting and giving free rein to "experts," has its counterpart in the running amok of the medical-scientific community which was only fully-revealed during and after the manufactured COVID "crisis." (Analogous to the need to fix the imaginary liturgical crisis.)
Absolutely! This is something I go back to again and again in my thinking: the exact, even eerie parallels between Church and State, as if, even centuries after their disseverance, they are still somehow mirroring and controlling one another, in a back-and-forth cycle, almost like a competition to see which one can degenerate faster.
I think my biggest question as a lover of Scripture is why did they not continue the same readings as the Traditional Mass? I have noticed that the NO readings align with the Methodist readings - but not with the Traditional Mass. I have also seen the watering down of the prayers in the Vernacular NO from the TLM.
I grew up in the pre Vatican II Church. We were told we would go with our own language in the Mass. We were NOT told as far as I knew that the words of the Mass would be changed. They did not simply transpose the TLM Mass words to English, as we expected, but changed the words - dropped off words, and basically rewrote the Mass! We were duped as Catholics by this - and it has taken me over sixty years to see how we have been deprived of the efficacy of the Mass of my childhood. The years have exposed the bad fruit of this deceitful experiment! The relevancy of the Sacred Liturgy has decreased, the reverence in the sacred space has diminished, millions have left the Church, and we are left spiritually impoverished.
Jeremiah 8:20
The harvest is past, the summer is ended, and we are not saved.
Yes, you are absolutely right: there was a huge bait-and-switch. As Luykx says, the use of the vernacular became like a narcotic.
The TLM lectionary was an ancient treasure, and it was chucked out. Why did they do it? Because, as Luykx rightly points out, they were arrogant and thought they had better ideas. And they viewed the Mass as a scripture service, much like the Protestants.
"We here work from the assumption that the modern Western man is the man tout court, the model of all true humanity, for all countries and cultures, and for all ages to come."
Unfortunately, he was right in terms of the secular status quo (not at all, of course, as authentic man as imago Dei). The "inbred and incompetent" theologians and liturgists have certainly reigned supreme, and the German bishops' ongoing dismissiveness of the concerns of African Catholics shows that nothing has changed. Note bene, articles like this trigger a near-PTSD response for those of us who lived through it all. These manuscripts (lately come-to-life) may have been hidden as a secret mercy to the traumatised in the intervening years when no solace was to be found!
"These manuscripts (lately come-to-life) may have been hidden as a secret mercy to the traumatised in the intervening years when no solace was to be found!"
How right you are! I find them traumatizing to read even though I was born as late as 1971!
Arguments about whether the Traditional Mass and the Novus Ordo are the same rite, but different forms, or two different rites seem to get at the heart of the issue. While, in my local parish, the pastor has moved the needle on the Reform of the Reform by ending girl altar servers, implementing ad orientem celebration, culling the usage of hymns, and other reforms, none of that amounts to much if the difference is one pertaining to the essence of the rite rather than its accidents.
Do you have any recommendations about where to read more about that?
Yes, exactly. I wrote a book about exactly this question of the difference of rites (the Roman Rite vs. the Rite of Paul VI) and the difference it makes:
https://osjustipress.com/products/the-once-and-future-roman-rite
or
https://www.amazon.com/Once-Future-Roman-Rite-Traditional/dp/1505126622/
Thanks! Sold.