Also, really pleased to get a copy of 𝑯𝒊𝒔 𝑹𝒆𝒊𝒈𝒏 𝑺𝒉𝒂𝒍𝒍 𝑯𝒂𝒗𝒆 𝑵𝒐 𝑬𝒏𝒅: 𝑪𝒂𝒕𝒉𝒐𝒍𝒊𝒄 𝑺𝒐𝒄𝒊𝒂𝒍 𝑻𝒆𝒂𝒄𝒉𝒊𝒏𝒈 𝒇𝒐𝒓 𝒕𝒉𝒆 𝑳𝒊𝒐𝒏𝒉𝒆𝒂𝒓𝒕𝒆𝒅 via my premium Pelican + subscription. I would encourage all subscribers and readers here to subscribe to Pelican + at any level just to get a flavour of the rich content and variety of traditional catholic writing and media. I have no financial interest in Pelican + or here, other than being a grateful patron, who supports these authors.
What a treat to have His Reign Shall Have No End greet me this evening when I opened Pelican+! I’m teaching a semester on Catholic Social Teaching at our homeschool co-op, and my ears pricked up when I heard you talk about the book in your interview with Matt Fradd, Dr. K. I can’t wait to pore over it!
Nice uplifting video to end the weekly roundup 😂. Regarding Knoxville: The Orwellian language deployed by the enemies of the Church is akin to kicking someone when they are down. Shame on them.
Why did Escriva petition the Vatican for a dispensation? And why did Bugnini grant him one? Why didn't he say to Escriva, "Of course you can keep saying the Old Mass. There's a universal indult for elderly priests"? The answer is obvious: such rights don't really exist in the Catholic Church. They are legal fictions.
Traditionalists use the same arguments against the Orthodox that 'Where Peter Is' uses against traditionalists. The WPI crowd would say, "Pope Benedict allowed every priest in the Church to celebrate the Latin Mass! Why wasn't it more popular?" Because, again, that right was a legal fiction. Priests still had to receive permission from their bishops to celebrate the Latin Mass. Everyone knows that.
Likewise, Bishop Strickland, as a Successor to the Apostles, had a "right" not to be deposed for no reason. Then he was deposed for no reason. And what did he do? Nothing. Because there was nothing he could do. So long as "the first see is judged by no one" (Can. 1404), no one has any rights in the Catholic Church—except, of course, for the Pope.
"No one has any rights in the Catholic Church—except, of course, for the Pope."
It looks this way to those who have bought into the hyperpapalism, but according to natural law, divine law, and ecclesiastical law, it cannot be so. And over time, wayward popes have had to bend to realities. They may wish their will were law, but they are not omnipotent.
The phrase "the first see is judged by no one" has been used by Catholic authorities since the 13th century. It comes from the Donation of Constantine, which of course is a forgery. Nevertheless, it's so integral to Rome's understanding of papal authority that it was included in the (current) 1983 code of canon law.
So, it must be asked: Do you agree that "the first see is judged by no one"?
If so, you are a hyperpapalist. It doesn't matter if you think Francis acted imprudently—or even immorally—by deposing Bishop Strickland. You do not recognize any "check" on his authority. You believe that the Pope has unlimited power over the Church, even if he uses that power abusively.
If not, you dissent from Church teaching—teaching that well predates Vatican I.
I don't mean to hijack the thread, but there is no Church document that says that we no longer must tithe. In fact, that would be impossible because the obligation to tithe has been dogmatically defined several times. Any Magisterial statement that we need no longer tithe would eviscerate the principle that Catholic doctrine cannot be changed.
If you need references to the ecumenical councils that have defined the tithe, let me know how I can send them to you.
Your position comes up against the rocks of the common teaching that the tithe was one of those elements of the Old Law that is no longer obligatory, like avoiding pork. What IS required is to follow the precepts of the Church, one of which is to offer support to the Church's ministers. I guarantee that you are misreading the evidence on this. You can send it all to me via my personal website:
Your section entitled "Tithing Opportunities" does not have anything to do with the tithe. The mistake is understandable because the Magisterium has not taught the perennial and infallibly defined Catholic doctrine of the tithe since about the time of Vatican II.
By definition, the "tithe" is 10%. The word literally means a "tenth." The word "tithe" does not mean "give". (The word in Latin, Spanish, French, and other languages is much clearer.) Further, the Church has many times defined that the tithe is a dogmatic matter (and not a matter of canon law or prudence) and that the tithe (10%) must be paid as the Church directs, which by default is to the cathedral or the parish to which the Catholic is canonically resident. Several ecumenical councils have specifically forbade “each and every Catholic henceforth, under pain of anathema, to preach, teach, or hold" that the tithe may be withheld, diminished, or redirected.
As the Council of Trent put it:
"Those are not to be borne who, by various artifices, endeavour to withhold the tithes accruing to the churches ; nor those who rashly take possession of, and apply to their own use, the tithes which have to be paid by others; whereas the payment of tithes is due to God; and they who refuse to pay them, or hinder those who give them, usurp the property of another. Wherefore, the holy Synod enjoins on all, of whatsoever rank and condition they be, to whom it belongs to pay tithes, that they henceforth pay in full the tithes, to which they are bound in law, to the cathedral church, or to whatsoever other churches, or persons, they are lawfully due. And they who either withhold them, or hinder them (from being paid), shall be excommunicated; nor be absolved from this crime, until after full restitution has been made. It further exhorts all and each, that, of their Christian charity, and the duty which they owe to their own pastors, they grudge not, out of the good things that are given them by God, to assist bountifully those bishops and parish priests who preside over the poorer churches; to the praise of God, and to maintain the dignity of their own pastors who watch for them." [Council of Trent, Session XXV, Decree on Reformation, Chapter XII (Dec. 4, 1613)]
I know perfectly well that a tithe means 10% of one's income. This was a divine commandment in the Old Law but is absolutely not a divine commandment under the New Law. It is subject to the Church's discipline. There is no longer a requirement, under pain of sin, to give 10% to the Church as dictated by her shepherds. There is, of course, a general precept to support the ministers of the Church. This is now left to the discretion of individual Catholics. Hence, it is more than sufficient that donations be given to any religious community or any worthy Catholic cause that will promote the Faith, such as the examples given here.
Thank you for such an amazing compendium of information and videos, especially concerning the new dictum from those who do not understand what they are doing. I just wish that some of our bishops could have just a bit of courage to speak up for us., even if the powers that be try to strong arm our bishops. We’re all feeling rather dispirited and rejected. Our pastor in Johnson City TN recently spent a good hour hearing questions and concerns from the members who attend the TLM. He is the one who celebrates the TLM and loves it. This is a group of very devoted Catholics who bring their young children to this Mass to inculcate reverence and mystery and the beauty of the Holy Mass, which has been so terribly misused and banalized (just made that word up) over these last many decades. They are heartbroken. All we want is to give Our Lord what is due for the complete gift of Himself in the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. We keep praying for a quick resolution.
Also, really pleased to get a copy of 𝑯𝒊𝒔 𝑹𝒆𝒊𝒈𝒏 𝑺𝒉𝒂𝒍𝒍 𝑯𝒂𝒗𝒆 𝑵𝒐 𝑬𝒏𝒅: 𝑪𝒂𝒕𝒉𝒐𝒍𝒊𝒄 𝑺𝒐𝒄𝒊𝒂𝒍 𝑻𝒆𝒂𝒄𝒉𝒊𝒏𝒈 𝒇𝒐𝒓 𝒕𝒉𝒆 𝑳𝒊𝒐𝒏𝒉𝒆𝒂𝒓𝒕𝒆𝒅 via my premium Pelican + subscription. I would encourage all subscribers and readers here to subscribe to Pelican + at any level just to get a flavour of the rich content and variety of traditional catholic writing and media. I have no financial interest in Pelican + or here, other than being a grateful patron, who supports these authors.
What a treat to have His Reign Shall Have No End greet me this evening when I opened Pelican+! I’m teaching a semester on Catholic Social Teaching at our homeschool co-op, and my ears pricked up when I heard you talk about the book in your interview with Matt Fradd, Dr. K. I can’t wait to pore over it!
Nice uplifting video to end the weekly roundup 😂. Regarding Knoxville: The Orwellian language deployed by the enemies of the Church is akin to kicking someone when they are down. Shame on them.
Why did Escriva petition the Vatican for a dispensation? And why did Bugnini grant him one? Why didn't he say to Escriva, "Of course you can keep saying the Old Mass. There's a universal indult for elderly priests"? The answer is obvious: such rights don't really exist in the Catholic Church. They are legal fictions.
Traditionalists use the same arguments against the Orthodox that 'Where Peter Is' uses against traditionalists. The WPI crowd would say, "Pope Benedict allowed every priest in the Church to celebrate the Latin Mass! Why wasn't it more popular?" Because, again, that right was a legal fiction. Priests still had to receive permission from their bishops to celebrate the Latin Mass. Everyone knows that.
Likewise, Bishop Strickland, as a Successor to the Apostles, had a "right" not to be deposed for no reason. Then he was deposed for no reason. And what did he do? Nothing. Because there was nothing he could do. So long as "the first see is judged by no one" (Can. 1404), no one has any rights in the Catholic Church—except, of course, for the Pope.
"No one has any rights in the Catholic Church—except, of course, for the Pope."
It looks this way to those who have bought into the hyperpapalism, but according to natural law, divine law, and ecclesiastical law, it cannot be so. And over time, wayward popes have had to bend to realities. They may wish their will were law, but they are not omnipotent.
The phrase "the first see is judged by no one" has been used by Catholic authorities since the 13th century. It comes from the Donation of Constantine, which of course is a forgery. Nevertheless, it's so integral to Rome's understanding of papal authority that it was included in the (current) 1983 code of canon law.
So, it must be asked: Do you agree that "the first see is judged by no one"?
If so, you are a hyperpapalist. It doesn't matter if you think Francis acted imprudently—or even immorally—by deposing Bishop Strickland. You do not recognize any "check" on his authority. You believe that the Pope has unlimited power over the Church, even if he uses that power abusively.
If not, you dissent from Church teaching—teaching that well predates Vatican I.
I don't mean to hijack the thread, but there is no Church document that says that we no longer must tithe. In fact, that would be impossible because the obligation to tithe has been dogmatically defined several times. Any Magisterial statement that we need no longer tithe would eviscerate the principle that Catholic doctrine cannot be changed.
If you need references to the ecumenical councils that have defined the tithe, let me know how I can send them to you.
Your position comes up against the rocks of the common teaching that the tithe was one of those elements of the Old Law that is no longer obligatory, like avoiding pork. What IS required is to follow the precepts of the Church, one of which is to offer support to the Church's ministers. I guarantee that you are misreading the evidence on this. You can send it all to me via my personal website:
https://www.peterkwasniewski.com/
Your section entitled "Tithing Opportunities" does not have anything to do with the tithe. The mistake is understandable because the Magisterium has not taught the perennial and infallibly defined Catholic doctrine of the tithe since about the time of Vatican II.
By definition, the "tithe" is 10%. The word literally means a "tenth." The word "tithe" does not mean "give". (The word in Latin, Spanish, French, and other languages is much clearer.) Further, the Church has many times defined that the tithe is a dogmatic matter (and not a matter of canon law or prudence) and that the tithe (10%) must be paid as the Church directs, which by default is to the cathedral or the parish to which the Catholic is canonically resident. Several ecumenical councils have specifically forbade “each and every Catholic henceforth, under pain of anathema, to preach, teach, or hold" that the tithe may be withheld, diminished, or redirected.
As the Council of Trent put it:
"Those are not to be borne who, by various artifices, endeavour to withhold the tithes accruing to the churches ; nor those who rashly take possession of, and apply to their own use, the tithes which have to be paid by others; whereas the payment of tithes is due to God; and they who refuse to pay them, or hinder those who give them, usurp the property of another. Wherefore, the holy Synod enjoins on all, of whatsoever rank and condition they be, to whom it belongs to pay tithes, that they henceforth pay in full the tithes, to which they are bound in law, to the cathedral church, or to whatsoever other churches, or persons, they are lawfully due. And they who either withhold them, or hinder them (from being paid), shall be excommunicated; nor be absolved from this crime, until after full restitution has been made. It further exhorts all and each, that, of their Christian charity, and the duty which they owe to their own pastors, they grudge not, out of the good things that are given them by God, to assist bountifully those bishops and parish priests who preside over the poorer churches; to the praise of God, and to maintain the dignity of their own pastors who watch for them." [Council of Trent, Session XXV, Decree on Reformation, Chapter XII (Dec. 4, 1613)]
I disagree with you completely.
I know perfectly well that a tithe means 10% of one's income. This was a divine commandment in the Old Law but is absolutely not a divine commandment under the New Law. It is subject to the Church's discipline. There is no longer a requirement, under pain of sin, to give 10% to the Church as dictated by her shepherds. There is, of course, a general precept to support the ministers of the Church. This is now left to the discretion of individual Catholics. Hence, it is more than sufficient that donations be given to any religious community or any worthy Catholic cause that will promote the Faith, such as the examples given here.
Thank you for such an amazing compendium of information and videos, especially concerning the new dictum from those who do not understand what they are doing. I just wish that some of our bishops could have just a bit of courage to speak up for us., even if the powers that be try to strong arm our bishops. We’re all feeling rather dispirited and rejected. Our pastor in Johnson City TN recently spent a good hour hearing questions and concerns from the members who attend the TLM. He is the one who celebrates the TLM and loves it. This is a group of very devoted Catholics who bring their young children to this Mass to inculcate reverence and mystery and the beauty of the Holy Mass, which has been so terribly misused and banalized (just made that word up) over these last many decades. They are heartbroken. All we want is to give Our Lord what is due for the complete gift of Himself in the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. We keep praying for a quick resolution.