I'm not "backtracking," simply offering Gregory's counterpoints for consideration. In any case, my main argument, about sticking with the "received" numbering from the LXX/Vulgate, remains water-tight, and DiPippo does not disagree with it.
I'm not "backtracking," simply offering Gregory's counterpoints for consideration. In any case, my main argument, about sticking with the "received" numbering from the LXX/Vulgate, remains water-tight, and DiPippo does not disagree with it.
But everything you repeated that this man said casts doubt on the accuracy of the Septuagint and this is an old trick. The Septuagint has been under attack since the second century. I don't know if it is a letter for letter perfect translation of the original text but I do know that a whole lot of very good people, saints and doctors, from the very earliest centuries thought very highly of it and it is really annoying when Catholics try to impress the world by running it down.
I don't think GDP is casting aspersions on the LXX. He's just very insistent on pointing out there are weaknesses to every human resource. And that's legitimate as far as it goes. This is why we need multiple editions of Scripture, especially for the more difficult passages. St. Augustine said this too.
You're correct. We don't have the original text of any Book of Scripture and especially when it comes to the Old Testament the oldest manuscripts we possess might have been penned more than a thousand years after their original composition. So there are multiple textual traditions and studying how to weave them together is serious science. But these days there is so much herd following in the study of these Books that no real science or original research gets done anymore. So much of it is just professional academics repeating what everybody else is saying or has been saying for the last hundred years without really examining the evidence for any of these claims. The so called documentary hypothesis and the supposed 'Q' which are nothing more than Darwinian evolution imposed on Biblical scholarship are excellent examples of this.
Eric, I see your comments on Dr. K's Substack again and again. Why do you let things bother you so much? In hippie lingo, you seem really uptight, man.
Because the revelation of God in the Catholic Church is the only thing in the world that actually matters. And the so called 'traditionalist' movement is the only functioning vehicle that exists at the present moment to restore it to its proper place. So when I see 'trads' doing stupid things I tell them, man.
When I see Catholics who call themselves 'traditional' saying and things that undermine the very source of the traditions they claim to love i.e. the Septuagint which is the source of both the Latin Psalter and many of the liturgical texts of the Mass that have been prayed in the West since the Roman Empire I think that can be objectively called stupid, yes.
To each his own. As to being pedantic the devil is in the details. The destruction of Catholic civilization came through undermining the (seemingly) small details little by little because people couldn't be bothered to defend them until the foundation became so weak that the structure couldn't hold anymore.
There are a lot of people who know much more about all of this stuff than I do and who have a infinitely greater ability to communicate it but for some reason they're not doing it.
I'm not "backtracking," simply offering Gregory's counterpoints for consideration. In any case, my main argument, about sticking with the "received" numbering from the LXX/Vulgate, remains water-tight, and DiPippo does not disagree with it.
But everything you repeated that this man said casts doubt on the accuracy of the Septuagint and this is an old trick. The Septuagint has been under attack since the second century. I don't know if it is a letter for letter perfect translation of the original text but I do know that a whole lot of very good people, saints and doctors, from the very earliest centuries thought very highly of it and it is really annoying when Catholics try to impress the world by running it down.
I don't think GDP is casting aspersions on the LXX. He's just very insistent on pointing out there are weaknesses to every human resource. And that's legitimate as far as it goes. This is why we need multiple editions of Scripture, especially for the more difficult passages. St. Augustine said this too.
You're correct. We don't have the original text of any Book of Scripture and especially when it comes to the Old Testament the oldest manuscripts we possess might have been penned more than a thousand years after their original composition. So there are multiple textual traditions and studying how to weave them together is serious science. But these days there is so much herd following in the study of these Books that no real science or original research gets done anymore. So much of it is just professional academics repeating what everybody else is saying or has been saying for the last hundred years without really examining the evidence for any of these claims. The so called documentary hypothesis and the supposed 'Q' which are nothing more than Darwinian evolution imposed on Biblical scholarship are excellent examples of this.
Eric, I see your comments on Dr. K's Substack again and again. Why do you let things bother you so much? In hippie lingo, you seem really uptight, man.
Because the revelation of God in the Catholic Church is the only thing in the world that actually matters. And the so called 'traditionalist' movement is the only functioning vehicle that exists at the present moment to restore it to its proper place. So when I see 'trads' doing stupid things I tell them, man.
"Doing stupid things" in your opinion, which is not infallible (or is it?)
When I see Catholics who call themselves 'traditional' saying and things that undermine the very source of the traditions they claim to love i.e. the Septuagint which is the source of both the Latin Psalter and many of the liturgical texts of the Mass that have been prayed in the West since the Roman Empire I think that can be objectively called stupid, yes.
Okay, but do you have to be such an insufferably pedantic know-it-all about it? But surely you're not like that in real life.
To each his own. As to being pedantic the devil is in the details. The destruction of Catholic civilization came through undermining the (seemingly) small details little by little because people couldn't be bothered to defend them until the foundation became so weak that the structure couldn't hold anymore.
There are a lot of people who know much more about all of this stuff than I do and who have a infinitely greater ability to communicate it but for some reason they're not doing it.
Let's hope they take up the challenge and get into the battle.
From your lips to God's ears.